Now, I’m no fan of Ron Paul. And I can’t stand Doon Johnson. But may I compliment you on a fine metaphor?

I have no tolerance for “Truthers”. That is how to handle Truthers.

Don Johnson?

You’re bringing back my old 80’s insecurities:)

Kudos to Clinton. He always did hae a sense ot The Moment.

Clinton said 9/11 wasn’t an inside job. How courageous.

Set the bar a little lower.

I don’t know, but that “How Dare You” didn’t sound very convincing to me - even a little rehearsed.

I LOVE me some Bill Clinton. Love. Him.

It was good of him, but it’s hard not to think that anything done by the Clinton’s is not planned or rehearsed. Still though, I like the old guy. He means well.

Still though, I like the old guy. He means well.

GASP! Glen? Did you just say that you like Bill Clinton?????

Oh my gosh…this must go down in the annals of MCB History!!!!

Bill Clinton: I’d Do Him.

LOL at Monica.

I like Bill Clinton a lot more now that he’s gotten his I-need-to-be-president jones out of the way. And I’m sure it was rehearsed, if by “rehearsed” you mean that somewhere in his head he knew what he was going to say if confronted by one of those morons and the time was right. Nothing wrong with that. That’s not “rehearsal,” that’s preparation. And, last I checked, it’s more than a lot of public figures are doing with these guys (and gals).

Oh yeah Ginger. On a personal level I like Clinton, although I have never met him of course. I kind of have compassion for him, because he seems so insecure and unhappy, like he is always working for the approval of others. I don’t know if you could consider him to be a sex-addict, he has to make that determination himself, but he shows a lot of addict/codependent/adult child of an alcoholic tendencies and behaviors. He is uneasy and unhappy, very bitter.

I can relate to addiction and the reasons for it, which have nothing to do with being a bad person.

Other than that, he seems like he would have been a cool fraternity brother, a fun guy to hang out and have a beer with.

Back to the compassion thing, imagine having to wake up and look at Hillary. No wonder he cheats so much.

I agree 100% with you on all counts, Glen.

(This also should be notated in the annals of MCB)

My inner 12 year old keeps cackling every time the “annals of MCB” are mentioned.

To Ginger,

Do you even agree with the Hillary part? Heh, thought I’d get into trouble for that.

Heh, thought I’d get into trouble for that.

Oh, you’re in trouble for that in my mind alright.

To Glen,
Yup, I agree. Can’t say I’d wanna wake up next to Hillary every morning, either. Gotta give the man a pass on that one. hee!

Where did you get your information regarding the facts surrounding 9/11. The MSM perhaps?

I don’t claim to be in possession of facts proving anything one way or other. I am not accusing anyone of anything specifically. But if you are asking me to accept that it is outside the realm of possibility that there was a treasonous aspect to 9/11 on faith alone, I can only say fuck that.

Not everyone that has questions about the facts surrounding 9/11 is a tinfoil hat crackpot, despite the propaganda.

Here are just a few questions for starters.

Why was the administration so vehemently opposed to the formation of the 9/11 commission?

Why were defense protocols not initiated to intercede?

In all of the chaos of the aftermath, how did the administration so quickly ascertain who was responsible, how they pulled it off, and most importantly why it was done?

I am sure there are answers to these questions. But I don’t think it’s a radical act to want to examine various claims in the cold light of day, especially given the administration’s track record with regards to being truth challenged.

ROR, you just lost me man. I guess fire has never melted steel before either.

Easy.

Why was the administration so vehemently opposed to the formation of the 9/11 commission?

To paraphrase Machiavelli, it is better to look sinister than be proved incompetent.

Why were defense protocols not initiated to intercede?

Let me ask you how Flight 93 wound up in a Pennsylvania field? Todd Beamer? Really?

In all of the chaos of the aftermath, how did the administration so quickly ascertain who was responsible, how they pulled it off, and most importantly why it was done?

They had ruled out The People’s Front of Judea and Patty Hearst had an alibi.

Presidential Daily Briefing dated August 6, 2001 titled Bin Laden Determined to Strike US.

But if you are asking me to accept that it is outside the realm of possibility that there was a treasonous aspect to 9/11 on faith alone, I can only say fuck that.

It is outside the realm of possibility.

This crackpot theory does not depend on structural engineering, it depends on suspension of disbelief. It is a long con. Only a highly suggestible mind can see this as a possibility. There is a greater probability that unicorns existed.

One stop shopping:

http://911scholars.org/

Idiots on parade.

Simple questions for simpler minds, in order for the 9/11 Truth theory to work, doesn’t it require that the 19 radical Islamic terrorists collaborated with the shadow government? To wire the buildings, how much wiring and explosives would be required?

Ror!, I assume you did your comment for chuckles, you cannot possibly be that naive.

I noticed that many folks seemed to be arguing against the conclusions presented in various internet propaganda films, rather than anything I said.

Sarcastro at least addressed the actual post.

Why were defense protocols not initiated to intercede?

Let me ask you how Flight 93 wound up in a Pennsylvania field? Todd Beamer? Really?

oooh, that’s interesting…what do you think really happened?

Ror!, if you don’t like George Bush, you will really dislike Hillary Clinton.

I think what you said must have been a joke. If you really believe that, then I have sympathy for you.

Ror!:

It appears that you are dealing with some of those folks who would never believe a statement like, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” (said by, umm, it will come to me) re: WMD in Iraq.

As for the 9/11 commission. The commission was a joke, a political show, that amounted to nothing except the suggestion that another layer of bureaucracy be created. That’s the Washington answer to everything, more govt, more bureaucracy. There was no way that the commission could have been conducted, ever, without making the administration look like they weren’t ready. The same goes for the govt. in place eight years before they came to power. Everybody was to look incompetent with a commission full of politicians.

About defense protocols. Before this attack, there had been nothing else like it, ever. When it was found out that planes were being hijacked, nobody considered that the hijackers would fly them into buildings. A traditional hijacking is not a suicide mission. The thing happened fast and we weren’t ready. How could we have been ready though. It isn’t anybody’s fault though. Like Sarcastro said, they were able to direct one of the planes to a Pennsylvania field.

About your final question. In hindsight, everything was right there for us to see. We just didn’t pay attention. But like I said earlier, that wasn’t anybody’s fault. You could blame the administration, but if they would arrested some of these cats on suspicion, CARE, the ACLU and a few others would have had a cow.

To think the way you do, requires you to believe that George Bush and his government are a bunch of sinister, evil geniuses. Do you believe that Bush is that intelligent, intelligent enough to pull this off and fool everybody, including the media, which has always been looking to knock him down anyway.

No one wants to be known as the guy who shot down a jet full of innocent Americans, even if the plane was on its way to crash into the Capitol.

Not that it really matters.

Like Sarcastro said, they were able to direct one of the planes to a Pennsylvania field.

Well, as he just pointed out, that isn’t what he said at all.
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It is outside the realm of possibility.

Of course it is — when you limit the possibilities to “the official line that 3^2 believes” or “what a bunch of whackjobs who think the moon landings were staged believes.”

Isn’t this like the fourth time in 24 hours that people have pointed out there are more than two options here, as in most things?
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JP, the option for insanity is a given and not considered.

Ok, I’m sorry, but I’m tired of hearing all the “Jesus Hillary’s ugly, no wonder Bill cheated!” comments all over the place.

First of all, she’s really not that bad looking. Yeah she’s got a few lines on her face, but who the fudge doesn’t that’s her age??

Secondly, even if she looked like a troll on acid, that’s no excuse to cheat (for the record, I love Bill Clinton and don’t think he should have been impeached for his philandering, but I don’t excuse cheating under any circumstances, especially the “I don’t find my spouse attractive anymore” reason… but ANYWAY…)

I just find it interesting that many times when discussing Hillary Clinton’s presidential aspirations the idea that she’s not a drop-dead hottie is brought up. I’m sorry, have you even SEEN Fred Thompson or Rudy Giuliani?

Oh, right… They’re men, so it doesn’t matter if they look like a sack of buttholes.

Number9: (and Glen)

I didn’t say that I believed anything. I conceded that I wasn’t in possession of any facts. I only said I had some questions. I never said that I thought treason was likely, or hinted that it would necessarily be high level. I specified that I was not accusing anyone of anything.

There are reports of both Bush and Cheney allegedly publicly disavowing their oaths to uphold the Constitution. I don’t know if that’s true, but it is not outrageous to argue that their behavior has been consistent with that position.

To be clear, I have no first hand knowledge of what happened to Flight 93. I’ve talked with some folks who prefer to remain anonymous that were in a place and position to know what was going on that day. They claim that 93 was shot down. I have no reason to doubt this claim,as it would be protocol to do just that. Eyewitnesses in the area give conflicting accounts, many of them claim to have seen a small jet in the sky immediately after the crash.

The 9/11 commission discounts this with the release of the cockpit recording. However, it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that the official record was tweaked to avoid embarrassment and outrage about shooting it down. Not to mention that the pilot of said aircraft would be crucified in the press.

That said, the little white lie about the passengers heroically overwhelming the hijackers harms no one.

JP, the option for insanity is a given and not considered.

Well, you’re drawing the line of “insanity” anywhere outside the tight circle of “what 3^2 believes.”

I mean, even Glen thinks he’s saying something universally accepted as truth when he says, “nobody considered that the hijackers would fly [planes] into buildings,” yet on a trip to Italy in summer, 2001, what did the Bush administration demand be set up near the summit site? That’s right: Anti-aircraft batteries, ’cause they were afraid some kooks would fly a hijacked plane into the meeting.

Don’t take my word for it — look it up.
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Megan, calm down. The Hillary comment was a joke. Nobody thinks cheating should be allowed because one’s wife is ugly. That might excuse a good drinking problem, but not cheating. Hee!

Megan, you are right. I was kidding around, but it is a mean thing to say.

Lord knows I don’t look like Angelina Jolie when I wake up in the morning (or when I’m made up my very best for that matter), so there you have it…

Good point. Thanks for calling me out on it…

Why is it that when Bill and Hillary are in the same sentence it seems to be all about Bill’s infidelity and Hillary’s ugliness/machiavellian shceming? I mean, I’ve read several comments here saying that every thread seems to devolve into people hammering Bush but, oddly, I see very little of the same sort of thing when folks say nasty things about Billy and the exFL Senator. Oh, wait, I know why. It’s because Bill is a sexual sinner. That’s it. Thank GOD, there was an answer.

Whoops, I forgot Hillary had Ron Brown AND Mr. Foster whacked. Well, at least Laura Bush does her own wet work.